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A week or so ago, I read this article that made me laugh and yet feel so sad. Seems there is a guy from India who is in exile and may serve prison time for blasphemy. What he did was investigate what was making a statue of Jesus "weep". Supposedly water is dripping from this statue and people are drinking this "Holy Water" in hopes it will cure their ailments. Tragically, the water is sewage that is seeping up from a leaking pipe! But when this man reported on his findings, the religious were incensed and want him thrown in prison!!!!
I find the story so....well perfectly metaphorical.…
I sent this news story to a person I knew, who claims to be very anti church, and it started an email exchange which much to my dismay went ass over teakettle down the hill.
I often post rather anti-religious rants on here. Without going into a long blog about my past life, how I was raised, and my growth as a rational human being...suffice it to say, I am at LEAST agnostic, if not atheist. So, I followed the "weeping Jesus" story with a reference to Stephen Hawking's thoughts on "There is no God".…

Much to my dismay and surprise, I got THIS response:

"Like Stephen Hawkins, you live in a crippling reductionistic reality defined and limited by materialistic physics, which we all know came into being from an unknown defying all the supposed absolutes such theorists postulate. I will pray no such crippling disease affects you, although you too propose a mechanical unfeeling life.
You are free to drown yourself in the swirl of a mere molecular mindset of binary code and bio mechanical engineering. I will walk on the water."

Let me state from the onset, I'm really happy...TRULY happy. I have a great life, for which I am ever so grateful. I have a fabulous daughter and a brand new baby boy. I love and adore my beautiful (inside and out) wife. I love what I do and I do what I love. isn't always easy and, matter of fact, most of the time it's pretty tough. I put in long hours and spend ridiculous amounts of time in my studio but I CHOOSE to be positive, happy, and always striving to make it all better.
So when I get such an accusatory, condescending, and self righteous makes me sad. I feel sorry for the person who sent it. It also just reinforces my view of the religious.
Judgement and arrogance disguised as compassion, is a congregation of the narcissistic. A "we know better" club which prays for those for unfortunate non members.

Then there was this quote from that same email:

"All the years spent disrespecting the sanctity of women and profiting from your abusive objectification of them, have now come back to haunt you and you find yourself dependent upon such a beauty for your welfare. Yet even now you claim no righteous judge rules the universe with compassionate concern for all. Will you not learn a lesson?"

This is a rather common dissertation from the religious. So much assumption is made about how I feel regarding women when people view my work when the truth is my work reveals what lies beneath in the viewer. When someone views a photo of a naked woman and calls me a "pervert" or says I "abusively objectify women", it reveals the feelings that arose in THEM when they saw that image. There is NEVER any question asked of me regarding what I FELT when I shot the image. No one ever says,"What was it about this image that you found compelling?". The religious just rant about the images and in doing so, reveal their own discomfort at what is inside them.
And just to set the record straight, the nudes I have shot have cost me a tremendous amount of time and money without a single penny earned. I work hard for every cent and have strived to build a photography business in a tremendously competitive market place.

But back to Stephen Hawking. In view of our place in the Universe, I find immense peace and comfort in my own insignificance. None of us, not even the greatest of us who have ever lived, commands a nanosecond of importance. Isn't it a relief to know we are all star stuff and unimportant and yet every atom from which we are made will go on? Individually insignificant, yet part of the ultimate significance of the existence of the universe!!
I was hang gliding one day out in the California desert, 8,000 feet above the valley floor when an F-15 fighter jet blew by (and under) my right wing. I  had just been thinking about how tiny and insignificant I was up there and what joy and peace I got from that feeling. The jet certainly drove home the point! I wept, I laughed, and if I believed in angels I would have heard them sing. It was an AWESOME, AMAZING experience.
Coming to accept our own insignificance gives us the freedom to love, to create, and to take responsibility and joy in the eye blink of a life we have. It allows us to revel in the ULTIMATE importance of here and now! So during these holidays and all throughout the year, let's all strive to live life to the fullest. To love what we have and laugh every chance we get.

I feel sad that this person views me in such a way because it only reveals what is inside her.
But…for my part… I will continue to live, love, and laugh. I often tell my friends,"I'm sorta like a puppy. I just love everybody and wanna hump their legs!"

Happy Holidays to all you other puppies! I'm off to have an Asahi! (yea - I switched beers!)
  • Listening to: the hum of the G5
  • Drinking: Heineken
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James-Is-James Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The jet thing sounds scary - what about turbulence?
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Professional Photographer
I was above it. The danger is below and out to the sides. But easy enough to turn and run!! :)
ImpressionofLight Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I must stop by and have a visit with you...we are kindred spirits. You are more articulate than I, but our thoughts on the universe are very similar.

I'm coming down to Baja leaving the Bay area on the 30tht and arriving in Mexico on the 31st. We leave Mexico on the 5th, and hope to be back in the Bay area on the 6th. Perhaps there is time to stop by and throw back a beer :)

I feel certain that you, myself and my girlfriend would have some very lively conversations!

Cheers my friend. I'm currently tipping back a Bass Ale...
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012  Professional Photographer
Best to email me @ Michael@Michael
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012  Professional Photographer
Sounds great. We'll be around and would love to see ya. We have a spare room if you'd like to stay over night and shoot in the studio here, too.
Let me know what dates work best for ya.
SmilinSheckyRimshot Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
When people start with "Stephen Hawkins" I already know they're an idiot.
onewingedjade Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
I learned an important lesson the other day. I found out that the portal that single socks get warped into during the laundry process was actually just the floor beneath the dryer, littered with stray socks.
Moral of the story, when we can't explain something, our minds come up with ridiculous ideas to help us cope with what we don't understand. And like unseen villians in horror movies, it's never as dramatic as we initially expected. And when people all start to agree about this one crazy idea and feel some sort of bond over it, we have religion.
I'm sure there's some cult online dedicated to the black hole behind the dryer.
FrijoleHijo Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
dont know why, but I just had an itch to listen to "wish you where here" by Pink Floyd after reading this lol
Justicex Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
You don't disrespect women, you celebrate them. Do not let anyone tell you differently. It is a sad fact that here in North America we live with a "conservative majority" and that the human body along with human sexuality is seen as "bad" or "disgusting". It is a part of who we are and the sooner that people realize and accept this, the better off society will be.
Mortuelle Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
I have to agree with you, I feel sorry for the lady. Not because of the things she says, but because her words reveal how much confusion is going on in her heart and mind. And how envious she must feel of others who have sorted their lives out and who, despite all difficulties, feel proud of what they achieve everyday. Otherwise, her words would be different. She will walk on the water? I hope she will. On the religion subject, I always believed that when you get argumentative, the point is lost cause it's all about faith. All you can discuss is the different views, practices etc and you can surely question the motives of preachers and relative phenomena. But in the end, faith is so very personal and it depends on the individual's personality if his faith will take him one step forward or many steps backwards. I won't bother to comment on the art issue. As faith soothes on one level, art pleases on an other level. If neither works, then one should reconsider.
The-last-black-rose Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student Writer
That is unbelievable. I hope you know to ignore this kind of thing, your art is in no way abusive to women. I have struggled for years with my self image and seeing your work with Scar made me proud of who i am and made me feel unashamed of my body. I am 19 years old and it wasn't until i saw how beautiful Scar was that i felt comfortable with my own body and scars. I thank you for this and i hope with all of my heart that you and your family remain happy and safe, ignoring the single minded idiots who seem to give you unnecessary hassle regularly.
philorion7 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student General Artist
I agree with you on this and i am tired of the self righteous among us attacking each other over beliefs. I am a christian i believe in God and Christ however i also believe it is everyone's right to find there own worldview. Here is the thing. When you profess to believe in something other than this persons world view it threatens them and they're beliefs. So they respond by lashing out in the only way they know how to protect they're beliefs. The sad part is the more loud this person is the more it shows they have a weakness in they're faith in they're own world view. The loud mouths among us however are the ones everyone hears and so it casts a shadow on everyone else.

this is not a problem specific to religion or Christianity. It happens during political debates all the time and among atheists and agnostics. As a christian i hear the other side as well "close minded, brain washed, uneducated, etc. from those on the other side. It polarizes each side against the other and passes a belief along that "the other side hates and fears you". Its sad that it seems we could all get along but for the most extreme and loudest among both sides.

As a watcher i admire your work and see it as a homage to the beauty that i believe God made. It is the viewer who makes it into something in they're own mind that is offensive to them. There are none among us who are free from sin. i find that anyone from any country and any faith is just as likely to murder, abuse children, cheat on there spouse etc. So instead of blaming the organization or group who commits these atrocities blame the individual who commits them instead and don't assume they are all that way no matter what they believe.
jshilling Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
You're not alone in your way of thinking, the universe is an amazing thing and we are just one part of puzzle that makes it all up - Happy holiday's to you and your family and enjoy the Asahi, I'm having a rum and eggnog (tis the season lol :) )
madzulu Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Glad to see your HAPPY!!
Asahi and shots of cold Sake..mmmmmmmmmm
Hugs to Squicken.
Have a great Xmas and New Year..
Winter-Cranium Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I enjoyed reading this. Another term you can use for such people, that I discovered from the weird world of tumblr is: CONCERN TROLLS.
AwwItsReni Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist
Personally, I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs regardless of the reasoning. As long as the person is happy, fulfilled and at least reasonably morally(by morally should I mean following the general code of conduct that most everyone can agree on, be nice, don't steal and all that..) sound I just don't understand the problem. Not everyone has to agree and no one should be punished for telling the truth.
AwwItsReni Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist
*morally sound I mean
DamonLSalvatore Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hey now, there is no need to come to judgements about all religious people based on the ignorance of the many. Yes I know, there are so many. Or narcissistic people for that matter. I happen to be both, and consider myself very tolerable. I get along with myself greatly.

Seriously though, when you say "the religious" it sounds like an old racist white man I used to work with that kept saying "the blacks". You're giving trolls too much credit, just as he did. There are tolerable religious people out there. Perhaps you just haven't met any yet. I have met very few myself, but they're out there.

I believe the one thing religious intolerants and anti-religious intolerants need to try is Caapi leaves (DMT) with Ayahuasca vine (to prevent rejection of outside DMT). This is a "drug" that inhabits your own brain. It is released in very small doses when you sleep. It causes your dreams, and larger amounts of it are released from your pineal gland when you die, to cope with death. Yet possession is illegal in the states.

The experience though, it negates scientific and anti-scientific reasoning on the subject of religion. Blends them together, you might say, preventing the schismatic religious beliefs. It is an enlightening experience that I believe would stop this pointless age old religious debate on both sides. By the way, if anyone wishes to argue with me, please do keep in mind that the "drug" is natural and exists in your own brain? I've had this argument before. "Drugs are bad" types, keep this in mind: Cocaine is bad, yes. Meth is bad, certainly. Do they exist in your body? Not until you use them.
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
always wanted to have the Iowasca (or however it is spelled!) experience!
DamonLSalvatore Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ayahuasca vine and Caapi leaf. If your wife's open to it, perhaps a family trip to a resort in Brazil (or Peru) is in order. Do be careful to diet and fast before finding a shaman or guide though. Purging will happen regardless. You don't want to be off a three course meal when it does.

My favorite vision involved the usual passing through the tunnel of snakes/lizards, but then envisioning many guides with angelic wings which seemed to be made of advanced mechanics rather than feathers. I was led to a vast room of what seemed like holograms and computers. Technology to me that makes as much sense as an Ipad to a caveman. This I was told, was where life began. Apparently from an ancient advanced society. Many visions are similar, but not the same. I think religion may have been founded on the Ayahuasca experience, but possibly just the message has been diluted as later generations merely went by word of mouth.
ravenstromdans Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
I don't always agree with how vehemently anti-religion you tend to be, Michael, but I've never doubted for a moment that you don't NEED faith (or more to the point, religious based faith) to be happy; if nothing else, your life and attitude definitely prove that point. I don't prescribe to any mainstream religion and I don't follow my faith because it makes me happy; it's simply part of how I view the reality in which we all live.

Suffice it to say, I don't judge you poorly for your happy, agnostic/atheist life; I wouldn't expect you to judge me for my miserable faith/spiritual life.

And not just because never the twain shall meet. It's because we respect each other's choices.
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
I had a long and wonderful discussion with a good friend today. We couldn't be more opposite in our views but we have such profound respect for each other. There is no argument that can refute a person who simply says, "I believe and it works for me and brings me peace". THAT - I support whole heartedly...agree or not.
I wish you ALL the best life has to offer and truly respect your choice.
jaded Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
An interesting read - it had never occurred to me that statements about objectification of the subject of a photograph were in the eye of the beholder. I'm not sure it is that simple and I think your following comment - that no one ever asks what you were thinking when you took the photograph - indicates why; when someone finds an image objectionable they are not only reacting to the image itself but also to what they think the motivations of the photographer and the publisher were. Humans work by generalizing from past experience, so it is not surprising that sometimes (many times?) they get some of their analysis wrong. This is not to say that their viewpoint would change even if they knew your motivation, as that viewpoint is the sum of their entire experience up to that point. It is not even fair to say that that viewpoint would necessarily be invalid. If we push the arguments a little further and consider sexualized representations of minors, should they be acceptable if the motivation of the person making those images was innocent?

This comment didn't go the way I was imagining when I started writing it. I guess life is complicated.
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
to that point - the work of Sally Mann - child porn or lovely intimate photography. The whole art vrs porn discussion can never be resolved because it is always subjective
TomFawls Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer

I love your work, your (sometimes) weird sense of humor and your willingness to put yourself out there to share yourself, your family and your art with folks here on DA.

I will say, though, that while I cannot know or understand all the things that brought you to the place you currently reside with respect to God, religion and folks who profess a religious belief, you do seem to accept (and use) some of the more outrageous errors from the "religious fringe" as representative of ALL folks who profess a religious belief.

And in that one area, I have to say that I don't think you're giving a fair shake to those of us who believe not out of fear and stupidity, but out of thoughtful contemplation of our sometimes painful personal experiences. This does not condone, justify or make right any of the hateful responses that some seem to feel necessary to use to "counter" some of your posts, but please understand that these folks are not representative of all of us who believe in a loving and just God any more than pedophiles who use photography to pursue their evil intent represent true professional photographers like you.

I will continue to read (most) of your posts and appreciate (and aspire toward) your skills as a photographer and talent as an artist. And I will extend an invitation to discuss what I (and how I came to) believe...even after surviving a a family upbringing. :)

Have a great day and I am sooo happy you finally got off the Heineken; although Asahi isn't really all that much better (I'm a German Pilsner or English Bitters kind of guy. :) ).
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
OK - NOW you've crossed the line, Buddy!! REALLY???? English Bitters!!!! LOL Sorry - no can do. ha

That aside - I am aware I over react to the religious right. I'm full of flaws and I acknowledge it for sure. I had a long discussion with a VERY Christian friend today about all this and we had a good time not agreeing and getting a kick out of each other's reasoning.
I would just like to see someone read the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The BagvaGita, The Koran, and whatever other manuscripts AND do a study of the history of religion BEFORE they declare to me their way is the ONLY way. By the way - I'm not referring to YOU - I'm referring to the person in my journal.
Ultimately - if you believe something and it works for you and brings you peace - then there is NO argument that can refute that personal experience. THAT I honor, admire, and respect. Sounds like you came to your faith through some fire...and for that, I truly admire you!
May not agree - but support you fully....well....except for the beer.
wow - REALLY!!! LOL
TomFawls Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
See, that's the thing...I can absolutely see resorting to fisticuffs over the best beer, but cannot fathom going to war to prove my God is the more loving and caring. :)

And I do understand the emotion attached to beliefs. I'm not huge on overly emotional discussion of my beliefs; but I do enjoy a calm, rational discussion of beliefs with other calm, rational folks (who are, IMHO, becoming more and more difficult to find in these divisive days).

I have made an honest, but ultimately futile, attempt to read the Bible, the Koran and the BagvaGita (is that correctly spelled), but never made it all the way through any of them; preferring (after a time) to skip around in each.

I do believe that there is some Truth in all of them, just that some have more of it than others (particularly the later chapters of the Koran - sorry, but it does get scary weird toward the end).

But my intent was not to convert or chastise; more to show support for a fellow human being ranting against idiocy...and maybe just a little tweak that you might some day reconsider your belief in an Almighty. :)

As for the beer...well, I'll fall back on an old Army saying: "my favorite flavor of beers is "free"."
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Professional Photographer beer!!
I'm always open to change my mind on any subject!
TomFawls Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Professional Photographer

AllMostDeviant Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Well said indeed. Happy Holidays to you and yours!
AlanRalph Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I've heard about the 'weeping' Jesus and the guy being threatened with blasphemy charges by the church (with the Indian state apparently indifferent to calls for common sense to prevail). :( I'm glad he was able to get out of the country - he was genuinely fearful for his life at one point, fearing a lynch-mob would come for him.

As it happens, we had two news stories here in the UK revolving around religious viewpoints. The results of the 2011 UK Census are being published, and they are showing that not only is the UK more ethnically diverse now, but many more people are non-religious. :) The same day that information was revealed, the Equalities Minister, Maria Miller, spoke in Parliament about the proposed bill to allow same-sex couples to marry. The proposals have changed recently due to several church denominations and faith groups (notably the Quakers and non-Orthodox Jews) declaring that they are happy to perform such marriage ceremonies. This has gotten the main faith groups, in particular the Catholic Church and the Church of England, even more excised, along with quite a few Conservative MPs who fear this will lose them the 2015 Election. So, to placate the Church of England at least, a provision has been added to make it ILLEGAL :wtf: for any CoE clergy or church to officiate same-sex marriages. That in turn has incensed proponents of the reform, as it's another case of the CoE being allowed to opt-out of legislation they don't like. :hmm:

So on the one hand, we have a nation that is increasingly secular - and on the other hand, we have religious institutions digging their heels in and fighting to preserve their traditional positions of authority. Apparently, they're under attack and persecution by us nasty horrible atheists, and prevented from upholding God's work. :roll: If we'd all shut up about thinking about equality, human rights, et. al. and go back to doing what they tell us, there would be peace and happiness everywhere. :roll: I suspect they are a lot more fearful about the growing voices of dissent within their own ranks than they are of the secular world. :hmm:

Personally, I try to remain hopeful that common sense will triumph over both religious and political dogma some day, although I fear it won't be within my lifetime. :fingerscrossed:
Dread-and-Dreams Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
A wonderful journal and a wonderful read! Thanks for that great insight! Couldn't agree more. Being around religious people is kinda like being around a meth addict; you just kinda listen to their ramblings and find yourself slowly backing away going, "OOOooooookayyyyyyyy...."
TomKilbane Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
just to condemn another person for their way of life is just plain stupid........and that's that!!!!...unless of course they are extremist.....then they are real butt holes
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Niteshifter Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
I've always found the sheer arrogance of most of the religious community have to presume that any great power in the universe gives one tiny iota of care to what they do with their lives. We have no purpose, no meaning, no reason to be, aside from the ones we give ourselves, which personally I appreciate, I despise being told what to do, when to do it and how it should be done, this is my life and I will live it in my way, and IF god exists and chooses to punish me for leading an ultimately unoffensive life without going to church, then does he really deserve my respect?
LegionOfOne Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Great read man, and would agree, critism reveals more about the viewer than the actor or artist.
enjoy your beers :-)
PedroMacedo Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Took the words right out of my mouth. :D Cheers, guys.
StarrBryte Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   General Artist
Wow... That's kinda... Ironic... Or something... Poor guy. But I know how you feel. I just get so very angry at the condensending way people speak to me about religion. And when I start to voice my own ideas and philosophy and trying to get a good discussion going it's like they plug their ears and run me over verbally. So frustrating. I went with what fit my moral code and principal philosophy and I feel so much lighter than I ever did before. I even started studying Christianity as an outside observer, just from a historical and mythological aspect, and it's so much more interesting without all the religious weight I guess. And some of the stories are pretty fun now that I don't have to think about it too hard.

I believe in the unexplainable but heartily respect those who poke and prod at it. That man gets my full well wishes and hopes that things turn out well for him!

Congratulations on the new baby!
Cow-In-A-Keyhole Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Lots of both theists and atheists have that "we know better" attitude, and I hate it. I hate how some people are too blind to see that their world view doesn't reflect some ultimate truth that everyone else should just accept. As if they are too insecure in their belief to stand by it on their own, so they try to convince the rest of the world that they are right, and when they fail at that, they become aggressive and point out how unhappy or self deceiving others are because those others refuse to support their beliefs.

"You are unhappy and/or deceiving yourself because you believe ( - insert belief - ), so you should become a what I am, not because it makes you happier, but because I will feel more secure about my belief if everyone believes the same as I do".

At least that's how I imagine it works, but the rationalization of those people are so foreign to me I honestly have no idea.
Dweer Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
This right here. Gots ta agree with the Cow ;)
LmAnt Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
sorry if I just jump right into the middle of it, but is this:
... No one ever says,"What was it about this image that you found compelling?"....
I really hope this is reduced to Taliban or Christiban or any other [...]ban whose only hope apparently is their being after going back to dust.
If not that would really make me sad.
And regarding the rest of that interesting entry,...well...
Come on, hop on my lap and be a happy puppy.
And have a lovely Holiday with those who you love and who love you.
badcop69 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I generally agree with all sentiments expressed. Minus the Religion is an absolute bad aspect. before you get angry with me I am not defending anything the vatican or others have perpetratied in the name of their invisible friends. I am an ex-christian who used to be a militant anti-thiest until more recently when I found in research that the one thing bringing a theist and a none thiest together in the atrocities both have commited is human nature. people can be just as greedy,self centered and even closed minded with or without a god. while I would agree I know many people who should frankly know better then to believe in the hog wash that is pushed as being a book about morality. I find so many of my theist friends are accepting of me for all that I am and that I choose not to believe. I feel it gives them an undo bad name to simply say religion bad not believing is an automatic good.

at any rate I hope you do have a good Holiday. I enjoyed your works and our past talks on polyamory your words almost always inspire me and this is no different. I too am very and truly happy...I too try to stay positive no matter what goes on. congrats on the wife and the two childern. -tips my hat and slowly walks away- .
Demonizer68 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Religion is just one of those things that just hurts my head. Everyone in a religion thinks that they're right and everyone else is wrong. Also who cares what that woman thinks? Let her go back to her hyper feminest mind set, I'm sure that the ladies you have taken pictures of, where happy to let you do so and that people like me, can admire them. Also if you love what you're doing, then forget religion, forget science, forget stupid people. Go have fun!
deezImages Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Photographer
I'm right there with you, pal......
shockwaveplasma Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
It's always amazing how much the hate atheists get from Christians, all you have to do is read about Jennifer Ahlquist, and her defense of the Constitution of the USA.

For that she got death and rape threats threats. It got so bad the local flower shops wouldn't deliver to her house.

Yesterday the Census data was released in the UK showing a massive drop in Christianity.


Much the same has been happening in Australia, in spite of Gov supported Missionaries in schools.

Australian Gov is also starting a massive inquiry into child abuse, mostly concentrating on the Catholic Church. It's expected to have as big as impact as the ones in Ireland.

Thank my social conscious I'm a atheist and a Humanist.
GryphonVisArts Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Stout...almost any kind...rules.
BigNicG Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Photographer
I have never understood why some people act like the fact that you believe something different from them somehow threatens their beliefs. To bad we all can't live and let live.
shockwaveplasma Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
If you're told you're going to live forever, and you truly believe it, and it's just so obvious to you it's true.

Then everyone who doesn't believe is telling you that you will die.

That's the threat people don't want to face.
SormiPoro Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know how anyone can look at the universe and feel the view "limited"... Also, beer related; I recently made the discovery in a local store so now I must spread the gospel, you should try Weihenstephaner Vitus Weizenblock, it's quite excellent, perhaps the best I've had.. Expensive as all hell, but a bottle now and then won't kill you :)
MakarovJAC Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012 does it feel having a monster like a F-15 flying close to you? Just curious.
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
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