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March 20, 2012


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Almost 99.9999% of the comments I get on DA are very nice and complimentary. For this I am grateful and appreciative. I also appreciate the occasional criticism that suggests I try a different crop, color, or lens choice. Even after 35 years I feel it is vital to listen to all the input I get because there are occasional jewels of ideas that come from learned professionals and beginning amateurs alike. Sometimes I even like it more when someone who is new to photography makes suggestions because they aren't stifled by the "rules" we all learn when we start out.

Recently, I've had a few people say some interesting and absurd things. These comments are related to my having taken down my gallery of nudes. First of all, let me say, my motive for this action was simply time management. I run a business so I don't have time to respond to all the comments or even read them all.
The suggestion has been made that by me removing the nudes, by responding to horrid comments then hiding and blocking that user, and by not allowing comments in the first place… that means I am "chicken". That "if I can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen". That "people are welcome to their opinions".

As a professional photographer in Los Angeles, the suggestion that I can't take criticism is absurd to the extreme. One does not survive in one of the most competitive markets in the world by hiding from criticism or shrinking down when it comes like a hail storm. I choose my battles, see what merit is in engaging in dialog with whoever makes criticism, and decide if my return on investment is worthwhile.

Cyber bullying is becoming a MAJOR problem on the net and several states have now passed legislation making it a crime. I'm not going to go into specific cases but type in "Cyber bullying deaths" on Google and read what you get. Kids are taking their own lives because of the horrid things said about them on line. And our response should be, "Well, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!"  That might be the stupidest, most horrid, and terribly noncompassionate remark ever.
Someone once posted on an image I shot,"Your model should be taken out back and shot like the whore dog she is". I am VERY protective of my models and this is NOT OK behavior. This is NOT an "opinion". This is NOT a "criticism" or simply "their opinion".
I posted a journal (actually a few) about how outraged I was. Mostly people agreed…. but I also got this from one DA member "Taken out back and shot like the whore dog she is?" Really? Fuck that's an epic quote...
I'm gonna have to start using that!"
Or there is this  "Commenting, then blocking is known as "Internet Cowardice"--of which you're a repeat offender. Which means you're pretty immature."

See the problem here? Not only DA, but the internet in general has a SERIOUS SERIOUS issue. People who say horrid, hateful, vitriolic things with no consequences are rife on this and other web sites. But thankfully, it is slowly changing.
Keep in mind, people, that if you say something horrid about a model and she takes her own life, you stand a chance of being dragged into court and doing time. And I sincerely hope you do.

To suggest that someone (ME) who blocks people for cyber bullying and making hideous comments is "wimpy", "can't stand the heat in the kitchen", or is "Immature" is like telling the world Hitler was just "voicing his opinion". The classic psychological tactic to reverse the tables in a  situation like this is simply childish foot stomping from ill mannered infants. I've had 3 death threats here on DA… and the response is supposed to be,"Well, Michael, if ya can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"?

So where do comments "cross the line"? Again, as I have said MANY times here on DA, on MY gallery, I will decide. MY gallery is not a democracy. Neither is my house, my property, or any comment of a horrid nature about my models. HERE, I am the boss and if you wanna test to see if I am a "coward", "wimp", or "immature"…. then cross the line. I value those who say, "Im not crazy about this color, crop, or that the background doesn't work". But negative comments about my models don't really work for me. Go somewhere else and get your jollies or do it on your own page.

I would be in favor of everyone on DA having to post their REAL names and where they live. It MIGHT help a tad. I hope so because as I see it, DA is having some growing pains. I also think DA and their staff are VERY VERY bright people and will get through whatever comes their way. It's a wonderful site and I've met a lot of cool people.
I'll be hanging around for a while!!

Time for a sunset beer!!
  • Listening to: the hum of the G5
  • Drinking: Heineken
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Kataspie Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2014
Well, god damn it. I have been gone for a long time. Partly because I forgot my password. But, I remembered it. I was originally Lenorek.

I have always enjoyed your nudes. For a lesbian with no friends and no partner, your nudes would always help the lonely cold nights move on. I have a folder with your name and some of your nudes in it on my hard drive.
But, unlike some asshats. The ones I save will never see the internet. Because A) they are for my personal entertainment only. B) I do not post another person's work without permission. C) I am not a pirate or ripper.
D) your work and the beauty of your models always helped me out of depression and to stop crying.  Also your work is superb. Your nudes are 100 times better then most pornography.

I know how bullying goes. I was relentlessly bullied at school. I even got into a fist fight at one point, I lost royally, but I was still standing. The bullying got so bad though that at 13 years old, I attempted suicide more then once. But I am dismayed and loathed to think that it has gotten worse since then. I mean death threats?!? wtf, man?

Unfortunately you are not the only person I admire who has received death threats. Ellen Page, an actress I have a crush on. Who recently came out at a Human Rights Campaign Conference received death threats not only for her conceived relationship with Alexander Skarsgard but also for coming out. I also get protective of my fellow women, and your models are no exception. Your models are beautiful, and from your pictures, they emanate a caring warmth that I look for in my future wife. But "Your model should be taken out back and shot like the whore dog she is"? Jesus Christ, I'd love to have the pleasure of sucker punching the cretin who said that. I am sorry you had to go through that.

Sincerely, all my love, Kat.
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2014  Professional Photographer
Yea - it never ceases to amaze me. I hope some day I can find a place to share the nudes I shoot. Hope it goes well there for you too!
thanks SOOOO much
Kataspie Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014
My pleasure. If you do ever find a place to share the nudes, then I'd be very interested. I miss the beauty you encapsulate and the beauty that your models emanate.

Sincerely, all my love, Kat.
Pelicanh Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014  Professional Photographer
Thanks so much. 
Kataspie Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2014
I thought I would add a couple of captions from my name and shame album on facebook to illustrate the threats towards Ellen Page. One was also a threat of corrective rape.......Censored

Name and Shame 1 by Kataspie   Name and Shame 2 by Kataspie  
xtranho Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Oh God. i just realised that this entry is a year old. Hehe, just passing time reading your journal :)
xtranho Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Fuck me. I never realised how bad it was/is for you. Lots of respect for you and your work.
JeffPrice Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Sending toxins through the mail is a Federal crime. Call your local postal inspector. They are in the white pages under US Gov, or I'm surprised (well OK maybe not) the local PD didn't refer you to them.

You're fecal mailer also endangered every postal worker between you and him. The USPS tends to take that personnally.


I cannot for the life of me figure out why some people think they should behave badly because they think noone can touch them. What has happened to humanity? First, it's wrong to be an ass to other people. Second,the Internet isnt as anonymous as they think.

CathleenTarawhiti Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2012  Professional Photographer
Well said!
Xenaris Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
I agree that it should be not without consequences when someone is hateful towards others. In the net or outside. However, I am strictly against having to use my real name online, because for me, that would mean I loose a sacred division: The difference between my professional life and my hobbyist life, which I live out here. I work with children, and I don't want somebody who wants to get back at me easily find my poems or something I said in a forum or comment, take it out of context, present it to some parents and get me in trouble. It's not that I don't stand behind what I said online, but I always take the nastiness of some people into consideration. I also wouldn't want a kid's parent to contact me via dA trying to talk about their kid's problems, because here, that's my private life.

Also I would like to point out: If everyone on the net was forced to use their real names, many people in China, in Syria ertc would be not only in trouble, but loose a way to voice their protest and even be in mortal danger. The right to be somewhat anonymous on the web is precious to me. But it can never be an excuse to forget that the other side is a human being too and hide behind that anonymity to post hatefull comments or death-threats. In my eyes a political lobby is using these poor children who couldn't stand the bullying anymore toforce a real-name-duty on all of us.
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