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I often write rants about religion, so for those who are tired of reading what I have to say about this topic - it might be a good time skip this and have a cup of tea.

I enjoy reading the daily news and having a cup of coffee every morning. I scan the headlines on my laptop and eat up all the latest scientific discoveries, local weather, and international news. I enjoyed reading about the asteroid that came close to hitting Earth because it reminds me of how fragile and insignificant we are here on our little blue marble. Our place in the Universe is pretty much meaningless in terms of time and space, yet we think we are not only important but THE singularly important species. A silly thought in my book.

Also in the news I read this:  religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05…  It seems a group of humans 16 million strong can't associate with another group of humans because of who they choose to love. It makes it even more tragic when I discovered that this group of 16 million is the Southern Baptist Church. They are pulling their association with the Boy Scouts of America because the BSA is now ALLOWING openly gay boys to join. I can't begin to describe my disgust, sadness, and even anger at such a bigoted, hateful, and tragic decision.

A few months ago, during a photo shoot, I had a client who told me his marriage had recently broken up. He had two children, one of which was a 17 year old gay boy. When the boy came out of the closet, his Mother told him she no longer wanted anything to do with him. He was "dead to her". A week later the boy hung himself in their family bathroom. My client told me about trying to explain this to his 5 year old daughter. He told her how some men love women, some men love men, some women love men, and some women love women. He explained that it is very difficult for those who love others of the same gender because lots of people don't understand and have a hard time accepting what they do not understand. That some people even hate them and do bad things to them. He tried in a most delicate way to tell his child that her brother was one of these men who loved other men and that he felt his life was too hard and that he would not be coming home.
My client's 5 year old daughter looked at him quizzically and asked simply,"Why, Daddy? You can't tell your heart who to love!"

This morning I wanted to stomp around my studio tearing my hair out and screaming. What stupidity. What ignorance. What ARROGANCE it is that the Southern Baptist Church thinks they have the right to dictate the thoughts and feelings of 16 million members about another group of people's love, when a 5 year old child has the wisdom and insight to simply accept it. What message does it send to the gay community to disassociate from them? What happened to "love thy neighbor"? What happened to acceptance? What is it about a person being gay that threatens them and their beliefs so much? Is THIS their way of winning the gay community over? Is THIS their way of leading the gay "into the light"??? Is THIS their way of showing "God's love"???

Not only is this an ignorant decision. Not only is this a hateful, bigoted, and fearful decision… it's simply lousy business. If you take away all the emotions and religious aspects, it's a stupid corporate move. They will not win any support from outside their narrow minded group. I also wonder how many of their 16 million members have gay family. Statistically, depending on what study one uses as reference, it will be anywhere from 2,000 to 20,000. I'm not going to get into the statistical studies of gay percentage of the population but there is enough information for me to confidently say that those 16 million Southern Baptist Church folks DEFINITELY have gay family members. Do they disassociate them from their own family? Probably - mine did.

Hatred, prejudice, and bigotry are horrid human characteristics driven by fear and arrogance. These characteristics are, in my mind, emphatically more tragic when espoused by a group of people who claim theirs is a message of love and acceptance. This hypocrisy is repeated over and over again in religion and results in segregation of society, xenophobic communities, and outright declarations of war. But it is what I have seen over and over in my life,  my own family, it is what happens consistently in the news, and it is what is being procreated in the sons and daughters of the religious.

How many sons will hang themselves in the bathrooms of the religious before changes are made. I suspect it will only happen when the Southern Baptist Church and other churches like them, die out as archaic irrelevant systems of belief. I hope this will happen, I believe this will happen, but it will take generations and although I doubt I will see the day, I am encouraged to see these changes on the horizon.

I am teaching my children tolerance, acceptance, and love of all human beings. Standing against those who would spread their vitriol by holding the hands of those who are different. My daughter recently marched in a gay rally here in LA and I'm so proud of her. Her friends are a varied and diverse group. Only by information and example will our children and our grandchildren open their hearts and minds to the LBGT community and others who represent smaller percentages of our population.

I wonder how the Southern Baptist Church feels about God putting a rainbow in the sky? :)
I think I'll have a beer (not drinking Heineken any more…moved on to Asahi) on my patio and toast my friends and my daughters' friends. Diversity is good!

PS More on this issue from my dear wonderful colleague Halohid.  www.deviantart.com/art/A-world…
  • Listening to: the hum of the G5
  • Drinking: Heineken
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giffordm Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
this hits home for me...i've been dealing with being a lesbian in a family of very strong catholics.*shakes head*
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Pelicanh Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Professional Photographer
Oh dear. I wish you well. You just can't choose your family, huh!? But you can certainly choose your friends!
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giffordm Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013
this is very true. i've reached the "i don't really care what they think" point where it all just kinda washes over me. most of my family has come around to the realization that i'm happy and well taken care of and thats all that really matters. its mostly my gramma and one of my uncle's and his wife who still openly disapprove and really it's my grandmother that opens her mouth on a consistent and obnoxious basis. i love her but eventually shes gonna realize that all shes doing is pushing me away, not bringing me closer to her God. she's gonna miss out. but i refuse to sacrifice my happiness to fit into her little perfect world. 
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Belote-Art Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
   Damn, Michael why'd ya write this?  Now I gotta comment.  First let me tell ya I grew up Southern Baptist and am a Christian.  I also agree with a lot of what you are saying.   I have been an artist and musician all my life, and that has put me in the path of a lot of diverse people.  I inherited a lot of friends who are gay when I married my wife, who was really active in musical theater. 
   The SBC takes the Bible pretty literally, and homosexuality isn't looked too fondly on in the literal Bible.  I'm not gonna argue the point of gay, right or wrong, sin or normal point because I don't feel I have a right to,  but that's why they do it.  I'm not gay, so I don't know what gay people go through.   Southern Baptist is a denomination, founded by men (hopefully righteous, well meaning men) who are flawed.  God is supposed to be the head and I certainly hope He is, even though there is enough evidence to argue otherwise.  I don't take being Southern Baptist very seriously, but do take the word Christian very seriously.   Being Christian is a very personal, individual thing.   As this Christian I claim to be, it's my job to love everyone unconditionally and judge no one.  
People who write people out of their lives for coming out as gay, or anything else they consider "sin",  don't understand unconditional love.  That trumps all. 
   By the way, I miss the work you used to post here.  I've kept up with your blog off and on over the last few years and understand why you took the photos down.  Look at my art, from a Southern Baptists standpoint, many would excommunicate me.  I'm at peace with what I do. Enjoy that Asahi. (Baptist's aren't supposed to drink beer or consider nude photos art).   
I think I'll have a second round of Crown Royal.
Cheers!

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Pelicanh Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Professional Photographer
Dude - if you are Crown Royal drinker, you are my people. LOL

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phraught Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A lovely piece of work, well done. Thank-you.
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SicherEichel Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Finally, a post of yours I can comment on. I'm a big fan sir - and this is a fantastic rant!
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Cyprine2013 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
let me start of by stating that i'm french, atheist, and been a *boy scout* for 15 years (and still Prepared !).
I 1st heard of the BSA stance towards gay communauty (and atheists arent welcome either in the BSA) through a Penn & Teller episode (season 4 episode 1) [link]
Now, we have different branches of boy scouting in France, and i was part of a secular movement: no religion was professed but kids who(+se parents) wanted (them) to go church were braugh there, if pork was served for the troup, another meat was given to religion-tabooed kids, no fuss. I was taugh of tolerance, understanding and acceptance.
I remember my cub scout promise, i was around 7, and we had the choice to promise *on my honor*, or *on my honor with the help of god*. I recall thinking: *that wouldnt be /my/ honor if i need anybody's help* (and who is that god guy anyway ?) but i digress...
A month ago France got agitated around same sex marriage. Right wings & religious zealots were very vocal against the law that got voted anyways. I personaly think marriage is an obsolete notion but thats for another discussion. But a month later the commotion has appeased, everybody's enjoying their sunny vacations.
Maybe thats a cultural french trait, evolved from revolution, enlightment, post ww2 strong materialist currents, 60's french philosophers: french people dont seem too much conserned but religion (but a bit more about same sex relationships, especially in rural environemnts ). The Islamic communauty causes uneasy feelings for various (racist un+)reasons, religion being something some french people do in their privacy, not as a display (secular laws make sure public officials cannot display any faith within their jobs). Maybe i'm speaking for myself but its an alien, obsolete concept to me to see religion leaking through political matters (*in god we trust* being among them).

Scouting has given me a compass, and the people who taugh me didnt need a god to do so. Values of friendship and fraternity are at the heart of the scouting engine. *a scout is a friend to all, and a brother to every other scout*
It saddens me to see that some kids will be deprived of what could be a wonderfull experience.
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Edenhurst Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013
An American friend gave me a framed cartoon of a clown with the caption
"You can't just say stuff like that, she told me, people will think you are serious and I nodded and said I know and won't they be surprised when they finally figure it out. She shook her head and said she should probably make plans for a back up husband".

I have no idea as to what she was trying to tell me.

Glad to see you back.
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Edenhurst Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
Wow, I love to see Americans 'discuss' religion (apologies to those not born and bred in the USA).

I can't say I do not believe in gods as I am British (I can say I am British as I have both English and Scottish heritage) and the Church of England was entrenched in my education. Jews and Catholics had separate services or separate schools. I knew nothing of Islamic children though I think there may have been some locally. Throughout my secondary education (11-15 age group in my case) I knew one black kid and on leaving school I worked in the same factory with a rather large black man who all of us youngsters feared but never spoke to unless we needed something.

I became a police officer at the age of 21. I swore an oath on the bible to Her Majesty and swore an oath on a bible to tell the truth (because it was expected?). It seemed to me that bigotry, racism and sexism was a way of life for police officers in the 70’s but often there would be great acts of humanity that belied the outward persona portrayed by macho cops. I don't think I was an exception. Just as religion was deeply ingrained in my youth sadly so was bigotry. For me they stand side by side.

I have used the plural 'gods' because for me if there is one god then there are many gods. Many of those other gods preceded the Judo-Christian / Islamic god. If they no longer exist I suspect it is because no one worships them any more and they gradually turn to mist and vanish.

I have read the King James Bible and the New English Bible cover to cover. It seemed to me that the bible was written by men, for men, that those men acknowledged the pre-existence of humans / humanoids and animals before Adam and Eve and that women should have little say in the formation of this religion (a generalisation but a generalisation that stands to this day).

I tried the Mormon book but I lost my way......... (Sorry, I have cut a large section as I have digressed and fallen into cynicism and deserve a good spanking).

It took me many years to realise what a bigot I was. I am still a bigot but I try to control myself. I try not to judge people because of sexual orientation, religion, race or colour but I do judge them very easily on what they say and do.

I have a daughter who loves and lives with another woman who loves her. They have a daughter and another child on the way. I will fight for their right to live in love, happiness and peace. They are happy and if any god condemns them for that that god does not deserve any worship. Even though they are both lawyers in their private life they are very caring people and how they lives has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with any other person.

I will end this by asking how men of god can sink into the depravity that has recently been revealed when they KNOW they will go to hell. Of course they always have a copout because they can repent directly and no matter what they have done they will be forgiven. Or is it perhaps they know in reality there is no god to judge them? (Cynic or what)


The Boy Scout movement began in the UK and loyalty to the (then) King and the Church (of England ) was part of the oath.


For once you have tasted flight, you will always walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward for you know there is a pigeon up there about to crap on you.
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Pelicanh Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Professional Photographer
LOL....LOVE the last line! Cynicism is an art form, eh?
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KeyszerS Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
Somebody somewhere lost the plot, that's for sure.  One of the most important lessons that the Bible has to offer us is to "Love Thy Neighbour".  This wasn't caveated - it didn't have additional text which said "unless they're queer, black, muslim, mentally retarded, or in any other way that might possibly offend you".  It's our jobs as Christians to love others - unconditionally.  My best friends are Jewish - but I still love them!  My corner shop fast food man is Iranian.  He makes great food!  Should a prejudice against our differences in religion prevent me from going there? No!  Halaal food to me tastes just as delicious as any other.  Should gay people be loved less because of their sexual preferences?  Absolutely not.

I find your Journal entry very apt and would like to share it with your permission in our non-DA related community (all credit will be given to you).

I'll leave you with a brainteaser:

Q: What do you call a man who prefers the company of other men?
A: A man.
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Pelicanh Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013  Professional Photographer
thanks so much. Share away!!
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Xenaris Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2013
A small step, but it is something: The german highest court just ruled that it is against the law that the tax-splitting married people enjoy (the partner who earns less can take a higher tax-class and the one who earns more a lower one) is not accessible for homosexual registered partnerships. Meaning our parliament will have to make a law to correct that. We are not as far as letting people of the same sex marry, but we are getting there, step by step. And France just opened marriage to homosexual couples.
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TableAbraser Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013
I think the biggest reason why any sort of homophobia related to religion has lasted for so long is that tight niche circle vibe. As long as they have people they feel relevant to, they'll have every reason to try to twist, turn and justify their views and even hold their own emotions hostage.

The other would have to be tried but true independence blinding them as they jerk themselves off into a personally indulgent coma.

Though I do have to at least say this about society as a whole. When the voices against freedom become absurdist, then we're closer to accepting ourselves as a people.
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R-TDesigns Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I am so far from being a religious person, as I wouldn't label myself as an atheist, but more toward being an agnostic. I just don't understand why people just can't get along. Why can't we see that we all feel, believe and think differently? Is how one person sees things a cause to hate that person because it's not how you see things? That is the long and short of it. And the people that provoke that hate is where I think the issue lies. Are they just phobic in allowing people to think and live in a another way than they do that they fear they might become them? Sure there are people I really don't like, but it's because of what they do and not what they believe in. It's all in the way that they react to how other people see things.
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11-7 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013
I always enjoy your sharing no matter what other's, yours, or my own opinions.
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johnnyjester Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I just wish people would take REALLY big step back and do some comparative religion studies. The difference between Greek Mythology and the multitude of strains of Christianity is suprisinly minute. Jesus as wonderful as he sounds has not returned, his home city is STILL one of the LEAST peaceful cities on the planet, Zeus has not made an appearance, and the One God(if he exists in whatever failth) is keeping suprisingly quiet while atrocities are being committed all over the world every day and minute. Parents need to start admitting to their children that they don't know what God's Plan is for them because he simply isn't speaking to them. It's okay! Most kids survive the illusion of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Faery surprisinly well. You can still teach your children to be good people. You just have to figure out what "good" is using your common sense. Creating an environment where a child considers suicide on a regular basis is an epic fail in parenting....PERIOD. The mother AND father in question get the rest of their life to think about their mistake. The 5 year old daughter, also, gets to wonder what life would be like if her brother had stuck around. Sheesh. Hard lessons here. I hope somebody learns something....
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pjs1998 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice rant Micheal. One consolation... if the narrow minded keep getting more narrow soon they'll be alone wondering where everyone went. As for religion, Seek love and beauty the rest is just someones personal bullshit!
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midnightblue69 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
Wow, I have to say that the bigotry displayed in this thread is disgusting. Were you equally as upset when Levis pulled their support of The BSA when they didn't allow gay leaders? LMAO of course you weren't. This rant has nothing to do with the Baptist Church, that was just your opportunity to get a personal shot in. This post is simply a referendum on gay marriage and a display of intolerance. You stir up this kettle emotionally evoking children killing themselves yet the pure bigotry against Christians and religion in general displayed here you have no recourse for. What's also chicken shit here is how you and others in this thread try and turn a stance against gay marriage into more than it is. Just because someone does not believe in gay marriage and doesn't want to support it, never has and never will necessarily mean they are "anti-gay" or they hate or persecute gay people. The fact that you feel the need to ridicule people who don't feel the same as you is not only bigotry, it's dangerous. Kinda funny how some people advocate tolerance through intolerance. How some people can accuse other people of being monsters for not accepting what was unacceptable their entire lives, changing the contexts of a ceremony they believe to be sacred and rewriting a thousand years of religious and social law, yet they persecute some people for simply what they believe. The older I get the more I understand why history is destined to repeat itself... Michael, in all sincerity the fact that you posted this forum and have nurtured all the comments spewing hate speaks volumes of your character. Very disappointing.
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Pelicanh Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013  Professional Photographer
This rant has to do with the hypocrisy of religion. It isn't hatred - it's a call for reason. A sad commentary on people who don't practice what they preach. I have no issue with people who don't support gay marriage BUT I DO have issue with people who make LAWS or vote for laws that deny gay people the rights straight people enjoy.
Those who know me personally know how VERY open minded and tolerant I am but they also know that religion has wreaked SO MUCH damage in my family and created so many issues for me personally. I have a hard time being tolerant of any belief system that advocates persecution of any segment of the world's people. Even a casual reading of history shows Christianity and the Moslems have murdered millions of people in the name of their gods. In the Bible, God DIRECTLY ordered the murder of over a million people if you count em all up. Check out the Spanish Inquisition. The Crusades. And currently the ongoing war between Moslems and Christians in Africa. Or even Westboro Baptist Church's web site "godhatesfags.com"
I don't mind being accused of intolerance for people like this, or people like Hitler, or Catholic priests who molest children and get away with it FOR YEARS, or the religious who in the name of love tell my gay relatives they are not welcome in the church and are going to hell.
And yes, I think Levis Co. pulling support of the BSA is a good thing.
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midnightblue69 Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013
Religion HAS NOT wreaked any damage in your family what so ever. People may have, NOT religion. Possibly the truth is your family is simply fucked up and you can't deal with it so religion is your boogie man for not having to confront the truth. I don't know. There are people in this world who span the entire spectrum of brilliant to vegetative state, Moral to Manson. If a sick person, a selfish person, a delusional person, a good but very insecure person or even a very good person who made a mistake or is at a bad place in life does things that are not right in the name of, or abuse of a religion, it is no more wrong of that religion than it would be of Donald Duck had that person done those things in the name of Donald Duck. This is a truth that benevolent people know. Your references to the Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, And currently the ongoing war between Moslems and Christians in Africa. Or even Westboro Baptist Church's web site "godhatesfags.com, further shows that the lack of understanding is yours as much as or more than theirs. It is easy for you to lump all these things together as a testament to your boogie man but they all are only akin by one thing and it's not religion, it's people. There is no commandment nor even tolerance for murder in the Christian religion, none for hate red, not even judgment. You twist truths in order to substantiate your bigotry, your consuming hate and to feed your narrow minded thinking. There's a reason many Christians are hypocritical. A very big reason - THEY ARE PEOPLE. People in general are hypocritical. THERE IS NOTHING in Christianity that makes people perfect, in fact the basis of Christianity is that people ARE NOT God, they are sinners. It is completely biblical that Christians are flawed. Christianity gives people direction to live, laws to keep and salvation, which most true Christians strive for. But perfection is not only out of reach, it's not even biblical. Furthermore people like the Westside Baptist people are not only not keeping God's word, they are not even Christian. It is every bit as bigoted for you to even mention them as if I went out in the world, said I was Michel Helms, committed crimes and you went to jail for it. If I created a Deviant art account and duplicated your content and information then started posting child porn, any negative backlash you received would be the same as you are assigning Christians in this discussion. I'm not even diving into the issue of gay marriage for that is a whole other argument and one not even really relevant. The true irony is that for almost all of modern history, marriage has been a religious institution. funny how so many people who hate said religion can't stand not being included.

Bottom line is I don't hate anyone for who they are, whether race, origin, gender or anything of the like. I'm not even a religious person but your post offends me to no end. As it does many, many people and should everyone. It offends me deeply! I'm sure that's of no consequence to you, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, but it offends me deeply. Probably even more than your original post, what offends me are some of the people in this thread spewing such hateful, nasty garbage and while you claim your post was about hypocrisy, you don't utter a single word against their garbage in a post you created and control. That more than your misguided post shows the character of the author.
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Pelicanh Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Professional Photographer
it's the same argument that "guns don't kill people. People kill people"
It's silly and naive... these atrocities don't occur in a vacuum.
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Dragonwriter69 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013
The problem with evil is how viral and endemic it is; the act of trying to fight it only helps it spread. For example:

There is a LOT of hatred, bigotry, and intolerance towards the Southern Baptist Church in your journal here. If your current attitude, as expressed here, were to become the norm for society, all that would happen is the tables would turn and it would be YOU doing the oppressing and THEM being the ones to hang themselves.

In the end, the one and only clear rule that we can learn from studying the history of human interactions is this:

The initiation of Force is immoral.

That's it. It all boils down to "who's the guy with the clenched fist/who's the guy with the gun?"

I may not approve of the Southern Baptist Church's attitudes as an organization towards gay people, and believe I don't approve, but it's also not my place to run the world, so therefore it's not my place to tell them who they are allowed to talk to and whether or not they are allowed to stop talking to them. Down that road lies far, FAR greater dangers - for all of mankind.
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SlimmmGoodie Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
as a christian in the south who grew up in a baptist church, i understand why they did what they did. most of the logic behind it is based on tradition and an old school interpretation of the bible. jesus was not about exclusion. his entire ministry was based on one simple premise.... LOVE! that includes jews, gentiles (which would include the southern baptist church), man, woman, child, black, white,..etc. and homosexuals. the bible is very clear on what is sin and what is not. but god see's ALL sin the same. he does not exclude me/us because of my/our sins and we should not exclude others. no matter what.
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Caught-in-Nightmares Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
I'm in agreement and outrage at those with a closed-mindset. I can only hope that others around the world can wake up and simply do what's right by everyone, starting with themselves. They need to wake up and do one thing. Let the individual decide. I have little doubt that a large chunk of that 16 million are NOT of the same mind as the ones who control their budget. I only hope something wakes those backwards dark-hearts up and gets them to see what they're doing to themselves and those they supposedly lead...
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HGEBlindWolf Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
It's nice to see some people have common sense. It is a sad world we live in where the religious claim to be the epitome of love and acceptance and tolerance, but then call anything that isn't a part of their specific religion as sinful or evil and is to be hated and stood against. Luckily atheism is on the rise, and hopefully one day religion will be a thing of the past, and we embrace logic, reason, and science.
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Musashi-1923 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
"This is a fine kettle of fish", Pelicanh, baby. It reminds me of the riot you incited on the gun control issue. Way to go!
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pjs1998 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hahaha! He is a rabble rouser!
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TomKilbane Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
half of them are in the closet too!!!!!
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q6831 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
very well written, it is a shame that the church takes so long to bring upon any socially progressive change, but on that point the change of governments to adopt these changes as never been greater and its ony a matter of time before they have to change or become extinct
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Musashi-1923 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
This is a truly ignorant post! Our country was founded on the principle of Freedom of Religion, NOT Freedom from Religion. If you don't want to play, you don't have to. Religion is not a reflection of our decadent society, and it's not meant to be. Just the opposite. Religion is the constant, the safe harbor, in a relative society where even murder is becoming acceptable. Religion is not going away. The Jews have been around for 4,000 years. The Christians have been around for 2,000 years, and the muslims have been killing the infidels for 1,000 years. So, there!
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wysinwyg Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
I know I am going to get hate mail for this...but.. I agree with almost everything you say. But one must also allow the people that have the views that nothing but man/woman sexual thoughts or relationships to have, voice and stand by their ideals. By not allowing them to have and follow their views, you are then no better than the people that want to exclude gay, bi-sexual or transgender people. While I may not agree, they are following the "holy" book that they were taught and believe . Let the bitch-fest begin!!
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Musashi-1923 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
You seem to be one of the few reasonable participants. I personally don't care if someone wants to have a loving relationship with someone of the same sex. I will even go as far as to say that I don't have a problem with someone having sex with their favorite pet (as long as PETA approves and the pet is agreeable). I don't care. The problem I have, is that this is being shoved down my throat as "normal" and I'm expected to accept it as normal, when it is not. The day two women or two men can reproduce, naturally, maybe I will accept it. Until; them, I won't!
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wysinwyg Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
I agree with everything you are saying. Here is where I have my problem. I accept what these fringe groups want to do, OK, then they want to shove it down my throat and have laws changed so that their +-1% can walk down my street and upset myself my family and my kids. The United States was founded on the credo of Majority rule BUT protect the minority. It seems that this has flip-flopped and we bow to any crazy fringe group that pops up.
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Pelicanh Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Professional Photographer
A person born gay is normal. They may not be AVERAGE but they are normal.
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AzureOblivionBat Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
The link is the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, PETA's report for 2012 [link]
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AzureOblivionBat Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
You might also want to see how many animals PETA kills:

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They killed 1045/1110 cats they took into custody in 2012
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AzureOblivionBat Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
"I was just following orders" isn't an acceptable defense.
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wysinwyg Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
Hmm I don't think that following ones faith is the same thing as "following orders" Like I said, I may not agree with the views expressed but I DO agree that they can and should be able to have said views. Otherwise, in the same thought process, neither would you.
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AzureOblivionBat Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
Its exactly the same as following orders.

Just another logical fallacy: "Appeal to Authority", in this case its a religious text or it was an answer to my prayer.
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Musashi-1923 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
There are no orders. The only orders are coming down from the radical groups who want to obliterate religion. Like Marx or Engils, or one of those communists like Obama, or Axelrod, or Pelosi would say, "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and it must be replaced with the communist propaganda of the current regime.
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AzureOblivionBat Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
You are completely ignorant, you don't even know what a communist is.
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Hadakajime Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
I have no patience or tolerance for religion.
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Hadakajime Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013
It's important to remember that just because people have rights, it doesn't mean things are immune from criticism.
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Musashi-1923 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
You have a right to feel that way. Just like Christians and Jews have a right to feel the other way.
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Demonizer68 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
Some people should learn to ease their grip on their bibles and not let their religion dictate their life, or tell them that being gay is horrible thing and anyone who is gay, is wrong. This is just another reason why I'm not going join any bloody religion, anytime soon.
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Greyhawkstudios Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
I would love to share this. Your words speak so much truth.
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vulgardragon Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
We are human for a short time, and our sexuality along with it. We are actually spirits living in human bodies, and are neither male or female. So does it really matter?
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philorion7 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013  Student General Artist
i agree with you i don't think it really matters. i think people who call out SINNER should look at their own sins first. (although just from a evolutionary stand point it doesn't propagate the species but neither does abstinence lol)
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